because the american people have now chosen barack obama over the republican guy. so what do they do? they have to gin up a conspiracy, a scandal of some sort, something they can attach the word gate to. now it's benghazi-gate. >> ron, you got it. this is the big alternative universal view of their world view in which you don't know what color the sky is over there. but they believe that this is as big as watergate and although nixon got re-elected in '72, he will come down by '74 even though this guy won in '12, he will come down by '14 because of this big gate ron mentioned. they have it in their head this is big time. >> in 1997 after bill clinton got re-elected but before lewinsky, the republicans tried to do the same thing on chinese fund-raising. remember that? they spent the better part of a year trying to turn this into a huge scandal. there is a little more to that one than there is to this. this is just exploiting a tragedy for political purposes. >> and here is the great irony. john mccain, who seems like he's the big whistle-blower, going after susan ri